The Rev. Troy D. Perry, moderator of the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches, met with Nobel Peace Prize winner Archbishop Desmond Tutu in Johannesburg for a wide-ranging discussion of human rights issues. Others in attendance for this historic meeting included the archbishop's wife, Leah; Rev. Perry's spouse, Phillip DeBlieck; and the Rev. Andre Muller, UFMCC area coordinator for South Africa.

The meeting began with cordial greetings, following by Archbishop Tutu's request that the group open in prayer. The archbishop led the group in a prayer of welcome and affirmation.

During the meeting, Rev. Perry expressed thanks to Archbishop Tutu for his work to include protections on the basis of sexual orientation in the new South African constitution. Perry shared how this accomplishment has helped to mobilize the American Gay Rights Movement in seeking protections from the United States Congress, including laws that would ensure basic rights to lesbian, gay, transgendered and bisexual citizens to work for a living without the fear of discrimination.

Both Archbishop Tutu and Reverend Perry discussed the roles that religion plays in the on-going debates around sexual orientation. Archbishop Tutu noted that religious fundamentalists have questioned the right of the government to add sexual orientation to the South African Constitution and want simple answers to life's hard questions. "Some people always try to take the Bible literally and legalistically," he said, adding "Quoting the Bible is not enough."

The Archbishop further stated, "Parents must love their children. It is a shame that fathers still teach their sons not to cry as though that would make them seem like a woman. Fathers teach their sons not to have real feelings. Every human being should rejoice and celebrate both our masculine and feminine sides."

Reverend Perry and Archbishop Tutu also reviewed a range of other human rights issues, including their common opposition to the death penalty.

Archbishop Tutu discussed his work as chair of South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which will conclude its work in June of 1998. At that time, Tutu will become a visiting professor at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia.

Reverend Perry extended an invitation for Archbishop Tutu to address the 1999 General Conference and World Jubilee of the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches in Los Angeles, California, at which the denomination will dedicate its new $5 million UFMCC World Center complex. The archbishop indicated his residence in the US at that time makes it more likely that he might be able to accept the invitation.

The meeting finished with Reverend Perry assuring the Archbishop that he is surrounded with the prayers of all MCCers for continued good health after his recent bout with prostate cancer.

Due to the international attention focused upon the archbishop's work with the South African Truth & Reconciliation Commission, the meeting almost did not take place. A message to Rev. Perry from the Archbishop's staff initially noted that the meeting needed to be canceled because of "the exhausting hearings involving Mrs. Winnie Madikezela-Madela and the State Security Council," which ran a week over the time scheduled for it.

In the message, the archbishop's assistant said, "The Archbishop is particularly supportive of the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches and...would like to meet Rev. Perry. As you know this has been exhausting and demanding work to which he is devoting all of his energy and attention."

However, on Dec. 8th, and aide to the archbishop phoned with the news that a scheduling change had made it possible for Archbishop Tutu to meet with Rev. Perry.